July 7, 2025

CRO: Friend or Foe?

Joelle Kaufman has been both a CRO and a CMO—and she’s here to tell you: if sales and marketing aren’t on the same page, you’re leaving revenue on the table. 

In this Huddles Quick Take, Joelle outlines the three most common mistakes CMOs make when trying to align with sales—and how to avoid them. From pipeline goals to budget tension to attribution battles, Joelle shares how CMOs can build better partnerships that actually drive revenue. 

What You’ll Learn: 

  • 3 alignment mistakes that keep marketing and sales at odds 
  • Why obsessing over MQLs sends the wrong signal 
  • How shared pipeline goals help unify teams 
  • The real problem with attribution finger-pointing 

For the rest of the conversation with Joelle, visit our YouTube channel (CMO Huddles Hub) or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64XHb_E7UT4

Get more insights like these by joining our free Starter program at cmohuddles.com. 

Renegade Marketers Unite, Episode 463 on YouTube

Resources Mentioned 

Highlights

  • [1:37] Meet Joelle Kauffman  
  • [2:52] Mistake #1: The leads-to-revenue blame game  
  • [5:08] Mistake #2: Arm wrestling over budget 
  • [21:02] Mistake #3: Vying for credit (attribution)

Highlighted Quotes  

“CROs want as much confidence as possible that the number they are signing up for is the number they can hit. —Joelle Kaufman 

Companies with a strong brand have faster sales cycles at premium prices. We simply need to be making an analytical case.” —Joelle Kaufman

We need to be maniacal about no sacred cows. Everything needs to be on the table, and we need to create a culture of fast failure.” —Joelle Kaufman

“Whether or not marketing and sales are organizationally merged—in the prospect buyer’s mind, it’s one thing. They don’t care.” —Joelle Kaufman

Full Transcript: Drew Neisser in conversation with Joelle Kaufman

  

 

Show Credits

Renegade Marketers Unite is written and directed by Drew Neisser. Hey, that's me! This show is produced by Melissa Caffrey, Laura Parkyn, and Ishar Cuevas. The music is by the amazing Burns Twins and the intro Voice Over is Linda Cornelius. To find the transcripts of all episodes, suggest future guests, or learn more about B2B branding, CMO Huddles, or my CMO coaching service, check out renegade.com. I'm your host, Drew Neisser. And until next time, keep those Renegade thinking caps on and strong!